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My previous posting focused on the wrong of the photos because I
believe that the circulation of unreal photo of rapes during May riots will
reduce the credibility of this sad story. I believe somebody tried to spread
untruth photos as part of their tactic to break down the support from 
international community to Indonesian Chinese.
By doing so (focus on the right or wrong of the photos), does not mean that
I'm not concerned about the human right issues in Indonesia.
In the time being, I'm active in informal movement againts racial
discrimination. I involve in 5 mail-lists to spread the ideas of human right 
equality, especially for minorities in Indonesia, and try to establish an 
information network.
I've sent many petitions (and urge friends to do so) to international
organizations on human rights, Clinton's administration, US senators and
Habibie's administration.
I (and friends) hope the international community will help us by giving
pressure to Indonesia government to ractify UN conventions on human rights,
as soon as possible.
I (and friend) hope Indonesia lawmakers will pass the bill on prevention
againts minority discrimination.
I'm a volunteer to raise donation to help raped Indonesian Chinese women and
to other riots victims. I'm Secretary to the Committee for Batam Concern
(Komite Aksi Batam Peduli  -  ABADI). You may check my website dedicated to
this particular thing (sorry all material in Bahasa Indonesia) URL:
http://www.BatamPeduli.homepage.nu
I believe all photos on East Timor are faked photos. They all made for the
sake of propaganda or terrorism. They are not rape photos, but, yes, they
are "torture" photos.
Please notice:
1. All people (men and women) are masked.
2. All army clothes are new.
3. No indication of armed forces' group or grade, and the camouflage motive
of the clothes is not a kind of standard Indonesian army clothes.
4. No clear indication of wound (but, yes, there are "blood" over the body).
5. No photo show the woman being beaten or slashed or any act of real
torture.
But I do believe Indonesian army raped and killed East Timor women, because
East Timor Bishop Bello stated that he has received many reports from the
East Timor natives about that.
PHOTO IS NOT THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE NEED TO BELIEVE SUCH A STORY.
I believe the raping and killing done to Chinese Indonesian women did happen
in May 1998. I do believe because I have personal contact to the volunteers
who investigate the case; compile the stories from the relatives and
families, and help the victims.
The Volunteers for Humanity (Tim Relawan Kemanusian) is founded in Jakarta
by several non-govermental organizations and prominent figures in human
rights (after 27 July 1996 bloody riots).
I consider this group as the one and only reputable and credible source.
They have searched and compiled stories directly from the eye-witness from
the beginning. They are the first group in making statement that May Riots
has been well-organized and that rape to Indonesian Cinese women has been
done systematically . They have prepared and published their documentation
reports, that riots (Document-1); lootings (Document-2) and rapes
(Document-3) during May Riots is well-organized and done systematically.
You may download the documents at http://www.huaren.org/focus or, simply,
contact me if you wish.
Heri Muliono panggita@indosat.net.id

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(125)Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:34:06 -0500
Dear everyone,
            When I heard that news through the media, I was very very
upset and angry!!! Before complaining the Indonesia's government, I like
to say something to our sister and brother!! I'm sorry that hearing
about the news and I feet guilty that I do nothing on this.
           However, I'd like to let you know in somewhere there are the
people know about you, care about you and concern about you. You know,
sometimes I'm really proud of a chinese, like you, Really!!! what the
tough and wise dragon's sister and brother!
           As I am a Malaysia-chinese, I really want the indonesia
government learn something from my country. especially the racial issue.
well, it is what i can see different from my country. Furthermore I do
strongly demand the resposible persons must be punished. Their reactions
didn't see any different from animals do, lose all popular sympathy.
What a terrible they are! didn't they learn something from XsXam? didn't
they? didn't they forget the XsXam rule ? I really curious how much they
spent  in  their life about learning XsXam. if I'm a XsXamism, i would
shame on you. really.
       One more thing,  in the humanitarian, what the UN has been done
on this? can anyone tell me? I really want to know what UN has been done
on this.
One of the angry man.
Wulin,Teo
from US.

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(123)Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
  A Mistake But Not "Faked" Photos
Refer to a reader in forum No.116, Heri Muliono
panggita@indosat.net.id, who pointed out that the photos were not
related to the Jakarta Mei1998 riots.  We think the reader did the
right thing to make the correction.
However, we feel that the reader is more concerned about the right or
wrong of the photos, not the human right issues about Indonesian army
who raped and killed Indonesian women (including ethnic groups such as
Chinese Indonesian women and East Timoresse women).  Poeple who have
the right to stay in Indonesia should have the same citizen right to
be treated by anybody in Indonesia regardless of genders and reces.
The photos were not "faked", except one: new01, but a mistake to the
dated events.  However, the photos did show the truth about the
inhuman events in East Timor by Indonesian army, not "faked" photos. 
Even though the photos did not show the victims were Chinese
Indonesian women, the photos did show the truth about how the
Indonesian army raped and killed Indonesian women under racism and
hate crimes.  We have not seen the photos happened to Chinese
Indonesian women, but it does not mean that the inhuman events did not
happen to Chinese Indonesian women in May 1998.  We believe the raping
and killing done by Indonesian army to Chinese Indonesian women did
happen in May 1998.


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I am very upset by  hearing that  numbers of Chinese women were raped in
Indonesia.  We should strongly demand the justice and the resposible
persons must be punished.   At this stage, we may request the Chinese
government, or Taiwan government united together pressure the Indonesia
government or  send their troops to protect the ethnic Chinese in
Indonesia.   All the Chinese, no matter the background, fight to protect
our brothers and sisters!!!
Dafang from Sydney

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(116)Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:10:50 +0700
 Faked rape photos
We attach herewith, 2 e-mails to clarify the faked rape photos regarding the
rape of Indonesian Huaren women during May riots.
We appreciate your effort to help Huaren in Indonesia, but please be careful
to somebody who insist to spread faked-information in the Net.
Heri Muliono panggita@indosat.net.id
1.
Hi there
For the sake of the truth, regarding your site
http://www.taiwan-strait.com/tupian.html, please be informed that your
photo:
02 and 03 are similar with http://www.easttimor.com/html/torture1.html
04 and 013 are similar with http://www.easttimor.com/html/torture2.html
06 and 07 are similar with http://www.easttimor.com/html/torture3.html
08 and 09 are similar with http://www.easttimor.com/html/torture4.html
01 and abc are similar with http://www.easttimor.com/html/torture5.html
All photos mentioned above ARE NOT RELATED TO THE Jakarta Mei1998 riots.
11 out of 12 photos at your site (as per 24 July 1998, 00.00.00 + 7 GMT) are
related to the East Timoresse torture (your photo of new01 is an exception).
I appreciate your effort to spread the information regarding the recent
rapes and tortures to Indonesian Huaren, but please be carefull. (I suspect
your new01 is sent by someone who took the photo from one of porno site in
the Internet. I'm still investigating the original resource of this photo).
2.
Somebody tried to mess-up the thing.
Photo new01 at http://www.taiwan-strait.com/new01.jpg
or 1st photo at  http://www.huaren.org/atro/rapvic.html
was originally from
http://www.goregallery.com/mutilate/Dead2.jpg
You may contact the webmaster of goregallery to confirm the above.
Photo with caption THEY RAPE ! at http://www.huaren.org/atro/
is related to the torture at East Timor. This photo has been around before
May Riot.
You may check  http://www.esoterica.pt/lorosae/torture/ or
http://www.easttimor.com

(115)Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:46:12 -0700
I belive what China has done so far is right , this proves that China 
needs a peacful environment in Asia. I belive not all the Indonesian Bumi
are bad , what they need is education. The gang who involved in the 
killing should be punished but not all the Bumi. Let think this way,
1.2 billion V.S 0.2 Billion , who is the winner ? The answer is " none
of them" . That just creat another "Middle East". 
My remedies are :
1. Indonesia has to stop any killing now . Punish those gang who
involed in the killing.
2. Malaysia has to teach the Indonesia Government the way of making use
the resource from the Chinese people. Because Malaysia has accumulated
a lot of experience.
3. China , Taiwan , H.K and Singapore got to tightly work together to
solve the asia problem. If 1.2 Billion people can not do it , then no
one else can do it. If the problem is solved by the westerner , I am
sure it will happen again in another 10 yrs. cycle.
4. Pls don't mix together the Malay with the Indo Bumi. Becuase Malay 
are of good education, talented , hard working and friendly.
A Malaysian Chinese.

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